Date   

Silent Key

Emile <ks5v@...>
 

I heard from Tex, N5TX that Ivan Mangold, WA5RNV became a
Silent Key yesterday. I have no other details but wanted to pass
the word.

73,
Ed KS5V


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Louis Upton
 

Pretty much!
What they did not do, was put the real teeth in it! Which is the phrasing used by some other cities, such as, if you are involved in a MVA while texting, that results in injury or death, the fine is xxx or xxx time in jail! If the accident involves the injury or death of a minor, the fine is xxxxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxxxxx days in jail.

Cities that have used that phrasing, have actually seen a significant reduction of urban accidents!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Mike Check <k5ucq@...> wrote:

Yes, it is law, but virtually unenforceable by police. It's another "feel
good" law. Worthless....


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Louis Upton
 

Pretty much!
What they did not do, was put the real teeth in it! Which is the phrasing used by some other cities, such as, if you are involved in a MVA while texting, that results in injury or death, the fine is xxx or xxx time in jail! If the accident involves the injury or death of a minor, the fine is xxxxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxxxxxx days in jail.

Cities that have used that phrasing, have actually seen a significant reduction of urban accidents!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Mike Check <k5ucq@...> wrote:

Yes, it is law, but virtually unenforceable by police. It's another "feel
good" law. Worthless....


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Mike Check K5UCQ
 

Yes, it is law, but virtually unenforceable by police. It's another "feel
good" law. Worthless....

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:36 AM, k5stx <trailriding_texas@yahoo.com> wrote:



--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, "W5HW - Harry"
<W5HW@...> wrote:

Tom,

What ever became of this. Any news on it?

Harry
<<<<snip>>>>>
It is Law! Normal use of our radio equipment is not effected, if you are
using APRS or other means to send a written/text message, you are subject to
a fine.
Text of the law follows or
https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/rfcadocs/R_6548_20101015033023.pdf

SEC. 19-255 REGULATING THE USE OF HAND-HELD MOBILE
COMMUNICATION DEVICES WHILE DRIVING.
(a) In this section:
(1) HAND-HELD MOBILE COMMUNICATION DEVICE means a
text-messaging device or other electronic, two-way communication
device that is designed to receive and transmit voice
communication, text or pictorial communication, or both, whether
by internet or other electronic means. The term includes a mobile
telephone, and a personal digital assistant (PDA).

(2) TEXT MESSAGE means a two-way communication (whether realtime
or asynchronous) in which data (composed in whole or in part
of text, numbers, images, or symbols) is sent, entered, or received
by a method other than by voice and transmitted through either a
short message service (SMS) or a computer network.

(3) WIRELESS TELEPHONE SERVICE means two-way, real time
voice telecommunications service that is interconnected to a public
switched telephone network and is commonly referred to as
cellular service or personal communication service.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person uses a hand-held mobile
communication device to send, read, or write a text message, view pictures
or written text, whether transmitted by internet or other electronic means,
engage in gaming or any other use of the device, besides dialing telephone
numbers or talking to another person, while operating a moving motorvehicle.
This ordinance shall not apply to public safety personnel in the normal
course and scope of performing their duties.

(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution of an offense under this
section if a hand-held mobile communication device is used:
(1) while the vehicle is stopped, out of the moving lanes of the
roadway;
(2) strictly to engage in a telephone conversation, including dialing or
deactivating the call;
(3) as a global positioning or navigation system that is affixed to the
vehicle;
(4) to communicate with an emergency response operator, a fire
department, a law enforcement agency, a hospital, a physician's
office, or a health clinic regarding a medical or other emergency
situation to prevent injury to a person or property;
(5) in the reasonable belief that a person's life or safety IS III
immediate danger; or (6) solely in a voice-activated or other hands-free
mode.
(d) Only warning citations may be issued for the first 90 days following
the effective date of this Ordinance so that an educational effort by the
City of San Antonio may be conducted to infonn the public about the
importance and requirements of this new Ordinance. Thereafter, a person
convicted of an offense under this section shall be punished by a fine of up
to $200.
(e) An offense under this section is not a moving violation and may not be
made a part of a person's driving record or insurance record.
(f) In addition to enforcement by a peace officer of the City of San
Antonio, this section may be enforced by a peace officer of another entity,
including those employed by school districts, duly authorized to issue
traffic citations within the City of San Antonio.

SECTION 3. That the remainder of CHAPTER 19 of the City Code of San
Antonio, Texas will remain in full force and effect, save and except as
amended by this Ordinance.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Louis Upton
 

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, "W5HW - Harry" <W5HW@...> wrote:

Tom,

What ever became of this. Any news on it?

Harry
<<<<snip>>>>>
It is Law! Normal use of our radio equipment is not effected, if you are using APRS or other means to send a written/text message, you are subject to a fine.
Text of the law follows or https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/rfcadocs/R_6548_20101015033023.pdf

SEC. 19-255 REGULATING THE USE OF HAND-HELD MOBILE
COMMUNICATION DEVICES WHILE DRIVING.
(a) In this section:
(1) HAND-HELD MOBILE COMMUNICATION DEVICE means a
text-messaging device or other electronic, two-way communication
device that is designed to receive and transmit voice
communication, text or pictorial communication, or both, whether
by internet or other electronic means. The term includes a mobile
telephone, and a personal digital assistant (PDA).

(2) TEXT MESSAGE means a two-way communication (whether realtime
or asynchronous) in which data (composed in whole or in part
of text, numbers, images, or symbols) is sent, entered, or received
by a method other than by voice and transmitted through either a
short message service (SMS) or a computer network.

(3) WIRELESS TELEPHONE SERVICE means two-way, real time
voice telecommunications service that is interconnected to a public
switched telephone network and is commonly referred to as
cellular service or personal communication service.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person uses a hand-held mobile
communication device to send, read, or write a text message, view pictures or written text, whether transmitted by internet or other electronic means, engage in gaming or any other use of the device, besides dialing telephone numbers or talking to another person, while operating a moving motorvehicle. This ordinance shall not apply to public safety personnel in the normal course and scope of performing their duties.

(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution of an offense under this section if a hand-held mobile communication device is used:
(1) while the vehicle is stopped, out of the moving lanes of the
roadway;
(2) strictly to engage in a telephone conversation, including dialing or deactivating the call;
(3) as a global positioning or navigation system that is affixed to the vehicle;
(4) to communicate with an emergency response operator, a fire
department, a law enforcement agency, a hospital, a physician's
office, or a health clinic regarding a medical or other emergency
situation to prevent injury to a person or property;
(5) in the reasonable belief that a person's life or safety IS III
immediate danger; or (6) solely in a voice-activated or other hands-free mode.
(d) Only warning citations may be issued for the first 90 days following the effective date of this Ordinance so that an educational effort by the City of San Antonio may be conducted to infonn the public about the importance and requirements of this new Ordinance. Thereafter, a person convicted of an offense under this section shall be punished by a fine of up to $200.
(e) An offense under this section is not a moving violation and may not be made a part of a person's driving record or insurance record.
(f) In addition to enforcement by a peace officer of the City of San Antonio, this section may be enforced by a peace officer of another entity, including those employed by school districts, duly authorized to issue traffic citations within the City of San Antonio.

SECTION 3. That the remainder of CHAPTER 19 of the City Code of San Antonio, Texas will remain in full force and effect, save and except as amended by this Ordinance.


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

W5HW - Harry <W5HW@...>
 

Tom,

What ever became of this. Any news on it?

Harry

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom O'Brien
To: W5SC
Cc: David Woolweaver
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:01 AM
Subject: [W5SC] Proposed ordinance for San Antonio



This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing telephone numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing, watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Hal Roby-K5JMI

Jim Hargrave
 

I talked to Hal's daughter, Glenda this morning.

Hal fell a couple of weeks ago and has lost his motor skills.
He is being moved to a nursing home today to undergo therapy.

Hal is 87 and has Alzheimer's. He does not recognize his family or friends.

The family would welcome your prayers and cards of encouragement.

Please send cards to:

Hal Roby (K5JMI)
C/O Glenda Griffin
2626 Rim Oak
San Antonio, TX 78232

73's Jim
W5IFP

-----Original Message-----
From: W5SC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W5SC@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Gary H. Harmon, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 2:47 PM
To: W5SC LIST
Subject: [W5SC] Hal Roby
Importance: High


Doug Freeman and I went to see Hal this afternoon. He looks like
Hal but is
very confused and doesn't know where he is and doesn't recognize anyone at
this time. He is also a fall risk so he can't be left alone. His family
requests no visitors at this time and also requests your prayers.



I'll give more info as I receive it.



Vr,



Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK

6003 Archwood

San Antonio, TX 78239-1504

210.657.1549h / 210.884.6926c



"Retirement means every day is a Saturday except Sunday"











------------------------------------

"Bexar County's Communication Resource Since 1919"
-
-Yahoo! Groups Links



Hal Roby

Gary Harmon
 

Doug Freeman and I went to see Hal this afternoon. He looks like Hal but is
very confused and doesn't know where he is and doesn't recognize anyone at
this time. He is also a fall risk so he can't be left alone. His family
requests no visitors at this time and also requests your prayers.



I'll give more info as I receive it.



Vr,



Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK

6003 Archwood

San Antonio, TX 78239-1504

210.657.1549h / 210.884.6926c



"Retirement means every day is a Saturday except Sunday"


Re: Hal Roby - K5JMI

George James
 

Thanks for the update. We will be keeping him in our prayers. He's a great
guy!



Merry Christmas to you and your family.



George James, RN, BSN, MS, FAsMA

gjames@texas.net



From: W5SC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W5SC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
H. Harmon, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:26 PM
To: W5SC LIST
Subject: [W5SC] Hal Roby - K5JMI
Importance: High





I heard tonight that Hal is in BAMC and very ill.

Vr,

Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK

6003 Archwood

San Antonio, TX 78239-1504

210.657.1549h / 210.884.6926c

"Retirement means every day is a Saturday except Sunday"

"ATARI was always better than Commodore"

"Too many projects, not enough time"


Hal Roby - K5JMI

Gary Harmon
 

I heard tonight that Hal is in BAMC and very ill.



Vr,



Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK

6003 Archwood

San Antonio, TX 78239-1504

210.657.1549h / 210.884.6926c



"Retirement means every day is a Saturday except Sunday"

"ATARI was always better than Commodore"

"Too many projects, not enough time"


Re: Updates to SARC web site

Lew Archer <usxpop@...>
 

Lyndon, soends like you're off to a great start.  I'm about to go look at the site.  Keep going, you guys will make it look great.

--- On Sat, 11/20/10, lyndonwoodall <lyndonwoodall@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: lyndonwoodall <lyndonwoodall@yahoo.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Updates to SARC web site
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 5:35 PM


 



Hello all,

I have been working with Lee (earlier) and Paul (just today) to make the following changes to the SARC web site:

- Update the next meeting advertisement to December 9th
- Changed the advertisement in the "meetings and nets" area at the bottom of the home page to indicate our standing schedule (i.e. second Thursday of each month)
- Updated the fiesta link to read "..2011" (on home page only since the global change I expected did not occur. Looking into that...)
- Updated the target of the fiesta link to read "..2011" but more content is needed and I would like to include a way for users to print a PDF of the registration form to allow us to start getting earlier registrations in... We should include a map, too.

J. C. - Do you have a final version of the registration form ready? The one you sent earlier is marked "DRAFT".

Cheers and LMK if questions, etc

Lyndon, N5LYF


Updates to SARC web site

lyndonwoodall <lyndonwoodall@...>
 

Hello all,

I have been working with Lee (earlier) and Paul (just today) to make the following changes to the SARC web site:

- Update the next meeting advertisement to December 9th
- Changed the advertisement in the "meetings and nets" area at the bottom of the home page to indicate our standing schedule (i.e. second Thursday of each month)
- Updated the fiesta link to read "..2011" (on home page only since the global change I expected did not occur. Looking into that...)
- Updated the target of the fiesta link to read "..2011" but more content is needed and I would like to include a way for users to print a PDF of the registration form to allow us to start getting earlier registrations in... We should include a map, too.

J. C. - Do you have a final version of the registration form ready? The one you sent earlier is marked "DRAFT".

Cheers and LMK if questions, etc

Lyndon, N5LYF


Veterans

Tom O'Brien
 

Thank you for your service and sacrifices.

73TomAB5XZ


Free HQ-1 Miniquad

Shane O'Neal <shane@...>
 

Herm Haertel N5CNH is moving into an assisted living facility and
cannot take his HQ-1 Miniquad with him.

He hates to part with it, but will give it to whomever comes to his
house to take it off his roof.

Please contact Herm directly at 680-8262 if you can help. Herm lives
at 5927 Forest Ledge.

Do not reply to the list, nor to me.

Regards,
Shane NS5D


Re: [CARC-ARES] 2011 Bandera 100K

Louis Upton
 

OOPS! Just thought I read through and corrected this message.
Yes, this event is the 2011 Bandera 100K, you will note under the when, I failed
to correct that!

Thanks again,


Louis Upton

Louis Upton - K5STX
Bandera 100k Communications Coordinator (coordination provided through Hill
Country REACT)
Cactus Rose and Bandera 100k Horse Safety Patrol Coordinator






________________________________
From: L. Upton <trailriding_texas@yahoo.com>
To: Austin Hams Yahoo Group <austinhams@yahoogroups.com>; CARC-ARES
<CARC-ARES@yahoogroups.com>; hchams@yahoogroups.com; Hill Country React
<hillcountryreact@yahoogroups.com>; TexasHams@yahoogroups.com;
w5sc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 7:55:33 AM
Subject: [CARC-ARES] 2011 Bandera 100K


Please Distribute as desired to your various group and mailing list! Thank You!

Where: Hill Country State Natural Area - Bandera County Texas

When: January 8 and 9th, 2010

What: Tejas Trails - Bandera 100k Ultra Marathon

This event is three races in one, a 25k, 50k and 100k that incorporates nearly
every trail on the 5400 acres of Hill Country State Natural Area. This is a
unique situation to train and test EmComm abilities in a remote environment,
provide a service, as well as enjoy the Texas Hill Country!

Participation for this event is expected to be over 800 runners!

Duties: This is a 24 hour all weather event! Amateur operators man the Aid
Stations and duties are basically like any other bike or running event (BP150,
MS150, River Safari, etc), relaying supply needs, runner counts and times, and
coordinating the Horse Patrol with Safety and SAR operations! Operators support
Race Control, Aid Stations and the HCSNAP Coordinated Horse Patrol! We are
encouraging everyone to actually set-up stations within the Aid Station tent, or
within a few feet utilizing a pop-up shelter or tent. Most Aid stations are
situated in a manner, to which we could attach and additional EZ-up type canopy
to facilitate station set-up! Operators will be required to stay in constant
touch with the Aid Station Captain and/or Race Recorder, in order to keep the
Database up-to-date.

Needed: Usually we need 10 or so license Amateurs to assist with this event, it
has been done with less! A repeater will be set up on a high ridge, 50 watt
dual band portable/mobile EmComm type set-ups required in case we need to go
simplex, if the repeater fails to produce. Most communications will be done
with 5 watts or so through the hilltop repeater, but just in case of a
catastrophic failure of the repeater, we can go to simplex. All the Aid stations
allow close proximity of your vehicle, so proper crossbanding can be utilized!

We will also be utilizing the Packet Program again this year at each Aid
station. There is a test and tune session planned for November 13th, 0800 hrs to
1200 hrs. Location to be determined (it will probably be in somewhere between
SA, New Braunfels and Seguin). Note: you are not required to have packet to
assist with the event. Those without packet will be teamed with those that have
it!

Individuals and Teams(Organizations ) encouraged to participate! The scenario
presented by this event creates some unique training and testing opportunities!
Several of our operators have worked some great HF DX in the less busy times of
the event.

The Amateur Operators, coordinating with the Horse Patrol have been instrumental
the last couple of years in extracting injured runners from remote areas of the
trail, tracking lost ones, and of course, peace of mind to the staff and
participants that if something goes wrong, we are there to help!

Additional Volunteers:We are also in need of several more riders for the Horse
Patrol. Sorry, I cannot supply horses, you must have your own. Also, do to the
increase of participants, there will be a need for additional support staff at
each of the Aid Stations. If we can get firm commitment from enough
individuals, the Amateur Radio community can adopt and aid station. The race
coordinator will provide an experienced person to assist in set-up and
operation.

Other quick details:

Camping: yes, at all the Aid Stations - no charge to our volunteers! Generators
will be allowed in most areas, for this event only! <Questions - call or e-mail
K5STX

Food: Several Meals are provided to the Volunteersby the event management! Rumor
has it, that there will be a big pot of something Saturdy night! No telling what
Charlie-KC5NKK will come up with this year! Thanks Charlie

Weather/Environment : From wild to mild! Anything that Texas can dish out is
possible! Hill Country State Natural Area is just that, a natural environment,
not changed much since it's donation to the state by Louise Merrick.

The 2010 event experienced what was a rare and unusual occurrence with the
extreme low temperatures. Normally the lows are in the high 40's and low 50's,
highs in the 70's. But, it is Texas winter, so anything can happen!


Looking forward to working with those that have supported this event in past
years, and the new operators coming on board. Thank you from myself and the
Tejas Trails event management!

Links of Interest:
HCSNA Park Information: http://tinyurl.com/o99sw
Hill Country Trail Runners: www.tejastrails.com/Bandera. html
Hill Country State Natural Area Partners: www.hcsnap.org

Other details will be placed on my web page in the near future! Link tba
To volunteer or if you have other questions, please contact K5STX at
trlrider@gvec.net cell phone - 830-305-2889.


Louis Upton - K5STX
Bandera 100k Communications Coordinator (coordination provided through Hill
Country REACT)
Cactus Rose and Bandera 100k Horse Safety Patrol Coordinator


2011 Bandera 100K

Louis Upton
 

Please Distribute as desired to your various group and mailing list! Thank You!

Where: Hill Country State Natural Area - Bandera County Texas

When: January 8 and 9th, 2010

What: Tejas Trails - Bandera 100k Ultra Marathon

This event is three races in one, a 25k, 50k and 100k that incorporates nearly
every trail on the 5400 acres of Hill Country State Natural Area. This is a
unique situation to train and test EmComm abilities in a remote environment,
provide a service, as well as enjoy the Texas Hill Country!

Participation for this event is expected to be over 800 runners!

Duties: This is a 24 hour all weather event! Amateur operators man the Aid
Stations and duties are basically like any other bike or running event (BP150,
MS150, River Safari, etc), relaying supply needs, runner counts and times, and
coordinating the Horse Patrol with Safety and SAR operations! Operators support
Race Control, Aid Stations and the HCSNAP Coordinated Horse Patrol! We are
encouraging everyone to actually set-up stations within the Aid Station tent, or
within a few feet utilizing a pop-up shelter or tent. Most Aid stations are
situated in a manner, to which we could attach and additional EZ-up type canopy
to facilitate station set-up! Operators will be required to stay in constant
touch with the Aid Station Captain and/or Race Recorder, in order to keep the
Database up-to-date.

Needed: Usually we need 10 or so license Amateurs to assist with this event, it
has been done with less! A repeater will be set up on a high ridge, 50 watt
dual band portable/mobile EmComm type set-ups required in case we need to go
simplex, if the repeater fails to produce. Most communications will be done
with 5 watts or so through the hilltop repeater, but just in case of a
catastrophic failure of the repeater, we can go to simplex. All the Aid stations
allow close proximity of your vehicle, so proper crossbanding can be utilized!

We will also be utilizing the Packet Program again this year at each Aid
station. There is a test and tune session planned for November 13th, 0800 hrs to
1200 hrs. Location to be determined (it will probably be in somewhere between
SA, New Braunfels and Seguin). Note: you are not required to have packet to
assist with the event. Those without packet will be teamed with those that have
it!

Individuals and Teams(Organizations ) encouraged to participate! The scenario
presented by this event creates some unique training and testing opportunities!
Several of our operators have worked some great HF DX in the less busy times of
the event.

The Amateur Operators, coordinating with the Horse Patrol have been instrumental
the last couple of years in extracting injured runners from remote areas of the
trail, tracking lost ones, and of course, peace of mind to the staff and
participants that if something goes wrong, we are there to help!

Additional Volunteers:We are also in need of several more riders for the Horse
Patrol. Sorry, I cannot supply horses, you must have your own. Also, do to the
increase of participants, there will be a need for additional support staff at
each of the Aid Stations. If we can get firm commitment from enough
individuals, the Amateur Radio community can adopt and aid station. The race
coordinator will provide an experienced person to assist in set-up and
operation.

Other quick details:

Camping: yes, at all the Aid Stations - no charge to our volunteers! Generators
will be allowed in most areas, for this event only! <Questions - call or e-mail
K5STX

Food: Several Meals are provided to the Volunteersby the event management! Rumor
has it, that there will be a big pot of something Saturdy night! No telling what
Charlie-KC5NKK will come up with this year! Thanks Charlie

Weather/Environment : From wild to mild! Anything that Texas can dish out is
possible! Hill Country State Natural Area is just that, a natural environment,
not changed much since it's donation to the state by Louise Merrick.

The 2010 event experienced what was a rare and unusual occurrence with the
extreme low temperatures. Normally the lows are in the high 40's and low 50's,
highs in the 70's. But, it is Texas winter, so anything can happen!


Looking forward to working with those that have supported this event in past
years, and the new operators coming on board. Thank you from myself and the
Tejas Trails event management!

Links of Interest:
HCSNA Park Information: http://tinyurl.com/o99sw
Hill Country Trail Runners: www.tejastrails.com/Bandera. html
Hill Country State Natural Area Partners: www.hcsnap.org

Other details will be placed on my web page in the near future! Link tba
To volunteer or if you have other questions, please contact K5STX at
trlrider@gvec.net cell phone - 830-305-2889.


Louis Upton - K5STX
Bandera 100k Communications Coordinator (coordination provided through Hill
Country REACT)
Cactus Rose and Bandera 100k Horse Safety Patrol Coordinator


Info

Ed KS5V <ks5v@...>
 

I see that a longtime San Antonio friend who was living in Dallas
became a silent key, Wayne Wyatt N5BV. Bob Blakemore, NA5AR has spoken
to Wayne's widow. Wayne died of a brain tumor August 3rd.
Apparently he will be interred at Ft Sam Houston in the future. If
I hear more, I will pass it along. For those who knew Wayne, please
pass the word.

73,
Ed KS5V


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Louis Upton
 

Cool, I like that one also!


Not really sure what the answer is! It all boils down to common since, which for the most part was lost somewhere many years ago.

Personally, I stay busy with family, multiple organizations, work, etc. But have never found things so busy that I needed to text message constantly while driving.

And finding that some people have gone so far as not answering the phone at all, in less you text message them first with a why you are calling them. Rediculous!!!

Long live Amateur Radio!

Off to make sure I have everything to the MS150, catch you all on the net!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

Louis,

I would like to have a car automatically turn off the stereo when (1) in reverse or (2) the first minute after the engine is started. Lots of reasons, not least of which you can hear somebody screaming "Don't run over the baby".
<snip>


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

Louis,

I would like to have a car automatically turn off the stereo when (1) in reverse or (2) the first minute after the engine is started. Lots of reasons, not least of which you can hear somebody screaming "Don't run over the baby".

-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 8, 2010 7:10 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio





Although this is ordinance is a long time coming, enforcement will be tough. Also, recent studies have found in areas that have the bans, that accidents involving texting or other non-voice use of cell phone have increased, due to the fact that people are still texting, but trying to hide it, thus looking away from the road even more.

The only fix, is technology that already exist, and was studied several years ago. The cell phone manufacturers enter a simple script in the phones coding, which disables certain functions while the phone is in motion (i.e. above a set speed). Every phone manufactured today has the ability to be flashed on the fly, as well as the gps tracking function. So it would be simple!

Such a strategy would not effect Amateur Radio.

But, the threat of the perceived political fallout prevents the lawmakers from making the move!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@...

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX
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Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Lew Archer <usxpop@...>
 

A stray thought on the simple fix. If the phone is made incapable of certain functions, it may keep the driver from using that function, but it would also keep anyone else in the vehicle from using the function.  A passenger should having full capability of the cell phone since it does not present a danger, and is not a distraction to riding.  As I said, just a thought.  Lew, W0YVY

--- On Fri, 10/8/10, k5stx <trailriding_texas@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: k5stx <trailriding_texas@yahoo.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 7:10 AM


 



Although this is ordinance is a long time coming, enforcement will be tough. Also, recent studies have found in areas that have the bans, that accidents involving texting or other non-voice use of cell phone have increased, due to the fact that people are still texting, but trying to hide it, thus looking away from the road even more.

The only fix, is technology that already exist, and was studied several years ago. The cell phone manufacturers enter a simple script in the phones coding, which disables certain functions while the phone is in motion (i.e. above a set speed). Every phone manufactured today has the ability to be flashed on the fly, as well as the gps tracking function. So it would be simple!

Such a strategy would not effect Amateur Radio.

But, the threat of the perceived political fallout prevents the lawmakers from making the move!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@...

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX
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