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Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

Louis,

I would like to have a car automatically turn off the stereo when (1) in reverse or (2) the first minute after the engine is started. Lots of reasons, not least of which you can hear somebody screaming "Don't run over the baby".

-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 8, 2010 7:10 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio





Although this is ordinance is a long time coming, enforcement will be tough. Also, recent studies have found in areas that have the bans, that accidents involving texting or other non-voice use of cell phone have increased, due to the fact that people are still texting, but trying to hide it, thus looking away from the road even more.

The only fix, is technology that already exist, and was studied several years ago. The cell phone manufacturers enter a simple script in the phones coding, which disables certain functions while the phone is in motion (i.e. above a set speed). Every phone manufactured today has the ability to be flashed on the fly, as well as the gps tracking function. So it would be simple!

Such a strategy would not effect Amateur Radio.

But, the threat of the perceived political fallout prevents the lawmakers from making the move!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@...

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX
<snip snip>



Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Lew Archer <usxpop@...>
 

A stray thought on the simple fix. If the phone is made incapable of certain functions, it may keep the driver from using that function, but it would also keep anyone else in the vehicle from using the function.  A passenger should having full capability of the cell phone since it does not present a danger, and is not a distraction to riding.  As I said, just a thought.  Lew, W0YVY

--- On Fri, 10/8/10, k5stx <trailriding_texas@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: k5stx <trailriding_texas@yahoo.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 7:10 AM


 



Although this is ordinance is a long time coming, enforcement will be tough. Also, recent studies have found in areas that have the bans, that accidents involving texting or other non-voice use of cell phone have increased, due to the fact that people are still texting, but trying to hide it, thus looking away from the road even more.

The only fix, is technology that already exist, and was studied several years ago. The cell phone manufacturers enter a simple script in the phones coding, which disables certain functions while the phone is in motion (i.e. above a set speed). Every phone manufactured today has the ability to be flashed on the fly, as well as the gps tracking function. So it would be simple!

Such a strategy would not effect Amateur Radio.

But, the threat of the perceived political fallout prevents the lawmakers from making the move!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@...

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX
<snip snip>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Louis Upton
 

Although this is ordinance is a long time coming, enforcement will be tough. Also, recent studies have found in areas that have the bans, that accidents involving texting or other non-voice use of cell phone have increased, due to the fact that people are still texting, but trying to hide it, thus looking away from the road even more.

The only fix, is technology that already exist, and was studied several years ago. The cell phone manufacturers enter a simple script in the phones coding, which disables certain functions while the phone is in motion (i.e. above a set speed). Every phone manufactured today has the ability to be flashed on the fly, as well as the gps tracking function. So it would be simple!

Such a strategy would not effect Amateur Radio.

But, the threat of the perceived political fallout prevents the lawmakers from making the move!

Louis

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@...

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX
<snip snip>


Fw: Re: Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Tom O'Brien
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 1:33 PM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio




Bart,

If that's so, I misread the agenda, which did not say the council was to vote on an ordinance. I apologize for the misinformation.
That just means that the state law, when enacted, will pre-empt it, just as it did on the school zone cell phone ordinance.
We hams need to get the same (licensed op) exemption into the new state law.



-----Original Message-----
From: Bart Stavisky
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 1:11 PM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio





Yahoo is reporting that the ordinance passed and is going into
effect in 5 days with a 90 day grace period..

From: Tom O'Brien
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:18 PM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Charles,

The council is not voting on an ordinance today, because there *is no* ordinance. There is a Request for Council Action, which gives the reasoning and describes the functional change that is desired. The RFCA was written by an Assistant Chief and an Assistant City Manager. What the Council will likely do is direct someone to draft an ordinance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Land
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 10:53 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Yes, they are voting today. As I read this, while we always want more
clarity, it does not prohibit talking on a radio device. It just prohibits
texting or activities other than talking. Seems that covers what ham ops
do. If it is interpreted to interfere with "talking", then it would appear
to ban police use of their radios, as well as every other government
employee use of mobile radios.
I don't see where we have a problem???

-----Original Message-----
From: W5SC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W5SC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Check
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:45 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Aren't they voting on it today?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:



Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this
ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it
does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed
operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right
language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local
hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact
AB5XZ@arrl.net<AB5XZ%40arrl.net>

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express
concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators,
much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.

K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom O'Brien
<tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City
Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by
adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a
hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text
message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing
telephone
numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and
providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing,
watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that
this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

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Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas









Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas

Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Bart Stavisky <bart_stavisky@...>
 

Yahoo is reporting that the ordinance passed and is going into
effect in 5 days with a 90 day grace period..


From: Tom O'Brien
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:18 PM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio



Charles,

The council is not voting on an ordinance today, because there *is no* ordinance. There is a Request for Council Action, which gives the reasoning and describes the functional change that is desired. The RFCA was written by an Assistant Chief and an Assistant City Manager. What the Council will likely do is direct someone to draft an ordinance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Land
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 10:53 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Yes, they are voting today. As I read this, while we always want more
clarity, it does not prohibit talking on a radio device. It just prohibits
texting or activities other than talking. Seems that covers what ham ops
do. If it is interpreted to interfere with "talking", then it would appear
to ban police use of their radios, as well as every other government
employee use of mobile radios.
I don't see where we have a problem???

-----Original Message-----
From: W5SC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W5SC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Check
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:45 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Aren't they voting on it today?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:

>
>
> Louis,
>
> You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this
> ordinance.
> The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it
> does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
> The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed
> operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.
>
> We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right
> language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local
> hams.
>
> SA hams who would like to help with this should contact
AB5XZ@arrl.net<AB5XZ%40arrl.net>
>
> 73TomAB5XZ
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k5stx
> Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
> To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio
>
> Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express
> concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators,
> much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.
>
> K5STX
>
> --- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom O'Brien
> <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:
> >
> > This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City
> Council meeting.
> >
> > "RECOMMENDATION:
> >
> > Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by
> adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a
> hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text
> message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing
telephone
> numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and
> providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."
> >
> > How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?
> >
> > 1. APRS?
> > 2. D-STAR?
> > 3. changing channel on your handie?
> > 4. other?
> >
> > The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing,
> watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that
> this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?
> >
> > The background memo for the ordinance is at
> >
> > https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548
> >
> > 73TomAB5XZ
> >
>
>
>



------------------------------------

"Bexar County's Communication Resource Since 1919"
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Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

Charles,

The council is not voting on an ordinance today, because there *is no* ordinance. There is a Request for Council Action, which gives the reasoning and describes the functional change that is desired. The RFCA was written by an Assistant Chief and an Assistant City Manager. What the Council will likely do is direct someone to draft an ordinance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Land
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 10:53 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio





Yes, they are voting today. As I read this, while we always want more
clarity, it does not prohibit talking on a radio device. It just prohibits
texting or activities other than talking. Seems that covers what ham ops
do. If it is interpreted to interfere with "talking", then it would appear
to ban police use of their radios, as well as every other government
employee use of mobile radios.
I don't see where we have a problem???

-----Original Message-----
From: W5SC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W5SC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Check
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:45 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Aren't they voting on it today?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:



Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this
ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it
does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed
operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right
language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local
hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact
AB5XZ@arrl.net<AB5XZ%40arrl.net>

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express
concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators,
much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.

K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom O'Brien
<tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City
Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by
adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a
hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text
message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing
telephone
numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and
providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing,
watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that
this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ



------------------------------------

"Bexar County's Communication Resource Since 1919"
-
-Yahoo! Groups Links




Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Charles Land
 

Yes, they are voting today. As I read this, while we always want more
clarity, it does not prohibit talking on a radio device. It just prohibits
texting or activities other than talking. Seems that covers what ham ops
do. If it is interpreted to interfere with "talking", then it would appear
to ban police use of their radios, as well as every other government
employee use of mobile radios.
I don't see where we have a problem???

-----Original Message-----
From: W5SC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:W5SC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Check
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:45 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Aren't they voting on it today?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:



Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this
ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it
does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed
operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right
language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local
hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact
AB5XZ@arrl.net<AB5XZ%40arrl.net>

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express
concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators,
much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.

K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom O'Brien
<tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City
Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by
adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a
hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text
message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing
telephone
numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and
providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing,
watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that
this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ






------------------------------------

"Bexar County's Communication Resource Since 1919"
-
-Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

Mike,

There is no ordinance yet. There is just a Request for Council Ation (RFCA R-6548), from the Police Department (Assitant Chief Garcia) and Assistant City Manager (Erik Walsh). That's what the Council will act on, probably directing somebody to draft an ordinance.

73TomAB5XZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Check <k5ucq@arrl.net>
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 9:44 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Aren't they voting on it today?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:



Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this
ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it
does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed
operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right
language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local
hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@arrl.net<AB5XZ%40arrl.net>

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express
concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators,
much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.

K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom O'Brien
<tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City
Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by
adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a
hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text
message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing telephone
numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and
providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing,
watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that
this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ






------------------------------------

"Bexar County's Communication Resource Since 1919"
-
-Yahoo! Groups Links



Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Mike Check K5UCQ
 

Aren't they voting on it today?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:



Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this
ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it
does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed
operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right
language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local
hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@arrl.net<AB5XZ%40arrl.net>

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express
concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators,
much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.

K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com <W5SC%40yahoogroups.com>, Tom O'Brien
<tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City
Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by
adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a
hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text
message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing telephone
numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and
providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing,
watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that
this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

Louis,

You are right, in that FCC Licensed Ops need to be exempted from this ordinance.
The San Antonio ordinance on operating in School Zones is 19-254 and it does not exempt FCC licensed operators.
The Texas Transportation Code section 545-425 *does* exempt FCC licensed operators, and it specifically pre-empts local ordinances.

We intend to work with the writers of the ordinance to get the right language in place. ARRL Volunteer Counsel will be working with some local hams.

SA hams who would like to help with this should contact AB5XZ@arrl.net

73TomAB5XZ
San Antonio, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: k5stx
Sent: Oct 7, 2010 6:43 AM
To: W5SC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W5SC] Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio





Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators, much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.

K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing telephone numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing, watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ


Re: Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Louis Upton
 

Looks like some SA Hams need to call their City Council person and express concerns, and have a clarification added to exempt FCC Licensed Operators, much as they did with the school zone Ordinance.


K5STX

--- In W5SC@yahoogroups.com, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@...> wrote:

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing telephone numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing, watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ


Proposed ordinance for San Antonio

Tom O'Brien
 

This item is on the agenda for the Thursday October 7 San Antonio City Council meeting.

"RECOMMENDATION:

Staff recommends Amending Chapter 19, Article VII of the City Code, by adding a new section under Section 19, which will prohibit the use of a hand-held mobile communications device to send, read, or write a text message, or engage in any other use of the device besides dialing telephone numbers or talking to another person, while operating a motor vehicle, and providing for a fine of up to $200 per violation."

How will this apply to your ham radio mobile operation?

1. APRS?
2. D-STAR?
3. changing channel on your handie?
4. other?

The ordinance is supposed to prevent internet texting, websurfing, watching movies, etc., using mobile phones. What can we do to assure that this dragnet ordinance doesn't inadvertently catch radio amateurs?

The background memo for the ordinance is at

https://webapps1.sanantonio.gov/agendabuilder/RFCAMemo.aspx?RId=6548

73TomAB5XZ


Re: Looking for suggestions

Paul Guido
 

How about Winmore, MT63 or PSK16....you could intro with psk31. Or EME and
metor scatter using WSJT mode FSK441.

Paul

http://www.wb8nut.com/digital.html This page has sound bites....ear candy.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Tom O'Brien <tpobrienjr@earthlink.net>wrote:

My fellow hams,

I am preparing a slide presentation on the "State of the Art: Amateur
Radio" that I will deliver to a couple of local IEEE groups (San
Antonio/Austin), and I'd like your help.

Please tell me what you think are the most exciting and promising (and
challenging) technologies that you see in ham radio today. If you can refer
me to a web site, a book, or a magazine article, that would be a big help.
I'm a big believer in "cut and paste".

The last time I did a presentation like this, EchoLink was brand new, and
so was Software Defined Radio. It inspired one person to study and pass the
license exams (zero to Extra in one sitting).

Rather than clutter everybody's e-mailboxes, please send a note to me at
ab5xz@arrl.net.

Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


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Looking for suggestions

Tom O'Brien
 

My fellow hams,

I am preparing a slide presentation on the "State of the Art: Amateur Radio" that I will deliver to a couple of local IEEE groups (San Antonio/Austin), and I'd like your help.

Please tell me what you think are the most exciting and promising (and challenging) technologies that you see in ham radio today. If you can refer me to a web site, a book, or a magazine article, that would be a big help. I'm a big believer in "cut and paste".

The last time I did a presentation like this, EchoLink was brand new, and so was Software Defined Radio. It inspired one person to study and pass the license exams (zero to Extra in one sitting).

Rather than clutter everybody's e-mailboxes, please send a note to me at ab5xz@arrl.net.

Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas


Re: [bexarcountyares] David Freiberger K5OLE SK [1 Attachment]

Schuylar Crist <skyskyrider@...>
 

Our friend David will be very much missed. Our only consolation is in knowing he is at peace with our Lord Jesus Christ. But what great consolation that is. We were all blessed to know David and to learn from him. His faith and courage through this battle is something we can all learn from. May God's comfort and presence be felt even more greatly in this time by his family and friends.

In His service,
Schuylar Crist
73 de AE5SC

Assistant Public Information Coordinator, American Radio Relay League - Districts 10/11/12, South Texas Section

(210) 663-6093 (Cell)

Matthew 25:40
Galatians 6:2
John 15:13



To: bexarcountyares@yahoogroups.com; stxares@yahoogroups.com; w5sc@yahoogroups.com
From: shane@ns5d.com
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:19:38 -0500
Subject: [bexarcountyares] David Freiberger K5OLE SK [1 Attachment]





















[Attachment(s) from Shane O'Neal included below]







Our friend, mentor and leader, David Freiberger K5OLE is gone. He passed away this afternoon after a very long battle, first with cancer, then with complications from the treatment of it.

J C N5RXS will update us with the funeral arrangements when he can.

I'm attaching a photo of my friend, doing what he loved.

Sadly,
Shane NS5D









Attachment(s) from Shane O'Neal

1 of 1 Photo(s)




david_freiberger.jpg


David Freiberger K5OLE SK

Shane O'Neal <shane@...>
 

Our friend, mentor and leader, David Freiberger K5OLE is gone. He passed
away this afternoon after a very long battle, first with cancer, then with
complications from the treatment of it.

J C N5RXS will update us with the funeral arrangements when he can.

I'm attaching a photo of my friend, doing what he loved.

Sadly,
Shane NS5D


ICOM 718 & PS For Sale

Gary Harmon
 

I received a call from Bob at 380-0885 last night. He has a supposed "new"
ICOM 718 and MFJ power supply for sale. He is asking $500 for both. I
haven't seen them, I don't know Bob and I have no financial interest in the
items. Give him a call if interested.



73,



Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK

6003 Archwood

San Antonio, TX 78239-1504

210.657.1549h / 210.884.6926c



"Retirement means everyday is a Saturday except Sunday."

"Too many projects, not enough time."


Re: Expense reimbursement

Mike Check K5UCQ
 

I supplied water, ice, and other drinks at my expense.

73,
Mike

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, J C Smith <n5rxs@satx.rr.com> wrote:



Tom:

I handed you the receipts on Sunday.

Please mail the check to my home address:
8734 Melrose
San Antonio, TX 78250

J C


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom O'Brien
To: W5SC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:39 AM
Subject: [W5SC] Expense reimbursement

To all SARC members,

If you have recently spent money on behalf of the San Antonio Radio Club,
and would like to be reimbursed,
send your original receipt (keep a copy) to the club P.O. box (see the web
site w5sc.org) and I will send you a check.

Recent reimbursement checks have been issued for these authorized expenses:

N3FJP Field Day network software
New antennas and antenna parts
Antenna storage boxes
New Generator for Field Day
Field Day food and refreshments

Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Expense reimbursement

J C Smith
 

Tom:

I handed you the receipts on Sunday.

Please mail the check to my home address:
8734 Melrose
San Antonio, TX 78250

J C

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom O'Brien
To: W5SC
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:39 AM
Subject: [W5SC] Expense reimbursement



To all SARC members,

If you have recently spent money on behalf of the San Antonio Radio Club, and would like to be reimbursed,
send your original receipt (keep a copy) to the club P.O. box (see the web site w5sc.org) and I will send you a check.

Recent reimbursement checks have been issued for these authorized expenses:

N3FJP Field Day network software
New antennas and antenna parts
Antenna storage boxes
New Generator for Field Day
Field Day food and refreshments

Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Expense reimbursement

Tom O'Brien
 

To all SARC members,

If you have recently spent money on behalf of the San Antonio Radio Club, and would like to be reimbursed,
send your original receipt (keep a copy) to the club P.O. box (see the web site w5sc.org) and I will send you a check.

Recent reimbursement checks have been issued for these authorized expenses:

N3FJP Field Day network software
New antennas and antenna parts
Antenna storage boxes
New Generator for Field Day
Field Day food and refreshments

Sincerely,
Tom O'Brien
San Antonio, Texas

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